Ready to #deGoogle 💯 per cent?
We've reviewed the top five smartphones that help you go Google-free in 2026.
@volla
@Fairphone
@murena
#SHIFTphone
#Punkt
Which one is your favorite?
➡️ tuta.com/blog/degoogled-phones
DeGoogled phones, made in Europe: Fairphone, Volla, SHIFTphone, Punkt – a full review. | Tuta
With the growing trend to deGoogle, European phone makers are becoming popular alternatives. Let’s look at the top five in this review.Tuta
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Arvid Hällen
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •Anh Nguyen Nguyen
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •I would love to have a Volla phone someday! I am currently using a Pixel 3a XL, but with Ubuntu Touch on it, so it still takes me a while to completely degoogle.
Do you have any plans in the near future to develop a Tuta app for Ubuntu Touch too? It is not quite convenient because I need to use WayDroid to access my Tuta mail.
Tuta
Als Antwort auf Anh Nguyen Nguyen • • •F-Droid
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •Tuta
Als Antwort auf F-Droid • • •Nicro
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •Tuta
Als Antwort auf Nicro • • •Venicone
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •SmarTekk
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •cake-duke
Als Antwort auf SmarTekk • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf cake-duke • • •SmarTekk
Als Antwort auf cake-duke • • •Okuna
Als Antwort auf SmarTekk • • •@andree4live @oneloop additionally, every website you visit you should check if it's hosted in the Google Cloud because that would mean it's not Google Free either.
So the question is, what is the definition of Google Free? For me, it is by default no connections to any Google server, no usage of any Google app, etc. And the control is fully with the user.
And with this definition, as far as I know, there is only #grapheneOS.
Others seem to connect at least to the captive portal or supl or connectivity checks to google server
0x0
Als Antwort auf Okuna • • •@andree4live @oneloop
Still waiting for it to run on (almost) anything other that a pixel.
Okuna
Als Antwort auf 0x0 • • •So I swallow the shit that i have to buy google hw.
cake-duke
Als Antwort auf Okuna • • •@Okuna I wonder on what basis you say this.
I'm not an expert, so I can't evaluate by myself. However, the incessant mud slinging by the grapheneOS project to anything that isn't produced by them, makes me skeptical.
Okuna
Als Antwort auf cake-duke • • •But since there is no perfect solution where moral and communication and technical capabilities etc are all perfect, I have to prioritize.
Whenever I needed help from the forum or from people in the discussion forums of GrapheneOS, I got competent and quick help.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Okuna • • •@Okuna @oneloop
> their communication habits have been a point of discussion in many forums and from a lot of people
You're largely referencing libelous harassment content including from Kiwi Farms users/supporters.
> because i was a newbie and basically they said if I ask one more question in this regards they blocked me from the forum
This never happened and is an outrageous lie.
> I got competent and quick help.
You use GrapheneOS and have received help, yet thank us by attacking us.
cake-duke
Als Antwort auf Okuna • • •@Okuna
> I once went to their forum and asked a few questions because i was a newbie and basically they said if I ask one more question in this regards they blocked me from the forum.
Yuck. To me software is more than just features. It's also about making society better. I have to say I already had a not-so-positive impression of their project, but your account really sealed it for me.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf cake-duke • • •Okuna
Als Antwort auf Okuna • • •@andree4live @oneloop
economicsecurityproject.org/ne…
I tried to survive 24 hours without using big tech. It was impossible
THE TELEGRAPH: I tried to survive 24 hours without using ‘Big Five’ tech – and my life became impossible - Economic Security Project
Economic Security Projectcake-duke
Als Antwort auf Okuna • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf cake-duke • • •@oneloop @Okuna @andree4live None of the options being promoted by Tuta has current privacy or security patches. They're not safe options let alone highly private ones.
/e/ has their own invasive services including sending user data to OpenAI without consent, user tracking in the updater and has highly privileged integration of Google services that's active out-of-the-box.
Pixels are currently the only smartphones where it's possible to compete with iPhone security.
cake-duke
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •@GrapheneOS @Okuna @andree4live
> Pixels are currently the only smartphones where it's possible to compete with iPhone security.
Do you want to provide a link so I can read why this is the case, with technical details?
Sure, I can search on my own, but I won't know if the things I find are the things you're referring to.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf cake-duke • • •GrapheneOS Frequently Asked Questions
GrapheneOSGrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •@oneloop @Okuna @andree4live The claims in Tuta's post about GrapheneOS hardware support are a mix of inaccurate and misleading claims. GrapheneOS uses Pixels because they have far stronger security than other devices. Privacy depends on security.
Privacy also depends on privacy patches and protections missing for each of the options they're promoting.
The invasive services included in most of what Tuta is promoting are also hard to square with these being promoted as private.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •cake-duke
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf cake-duke • • •Bonsai861
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •SmarTekk
Als Antwort auf Bonsai861 • • •Bonsai861
Als Antwort auf SmarTekk • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Bonsai861 • • •cake-duke
Als Antwort auf SmarTekk • • •@andree4live Like I said, there's many phones where you can run GNU/Linux. You can even run GNOME
fosdem.org/2026/schedule/event…
FOSDEM 2026 - Running GNOME OS on mobile phones
fosdem.orgGrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf cake-duke • • •Rebel Zhang
Als Antwort auf cake-duke • • •Tuta
Als Antwort auf Rebel Zhang • • •Okuna
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •@GrapheneOS
Ash
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •I am quite happy with the shiftphone 8 I got from @shiftphones
currently running lineageos on it
YourShadowDani
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •crepererum
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •ĞÖKÜ👻👻™
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •🎆🎉 Masto New Year 🎊🎇
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •Drifthood
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •since 5 years i use a phone from the murena shop, now a fairphone
no problems, very good
it is a preinstalled option no tinkering required
• Łącze
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •• GrapheneOS
Murena - „degoogled"?
hear-me.social/@Lacze/11502548…
• Łącze (@Lacze@hear-me.social)
• Łącze (hear-me.social -- Tell us)Antonín Pavlas
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •Every option you're promoting has atrocious privacy and security. Each one lacks the most basic privacy and security patches/protections.
You're also making highly inaccurate and misleading claims about GrapheneOS. This has been a repeated issue with Tuta. It's not surprising considering you're supporting groups not only scamming people but actively spreading misinformation about GrapheneOS and attacking our team with harassment.
We're going to be publishing a response to Tuta.
koehntopp ~ : hat dies geteilt.
cake-duke
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •@GrapheneOS @Okuna grapheneOS incessant mud slinging. You're toxic.
social.tchncs.de/@Okuna/115826…
Okuna
2026-01-02 18:18:59
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf cake-duke • • •@oneloop @Okuna No, it's you who is toxic. You engage in libel and harassment along with supporting companies led by serial harassers. Here's the CEO of Murena linking to libelous harassment content from a neo-nazi conspiracy site as part of directly supporting French law enforcement attacks on GrapheneOS:
archive.is/SWXPJ
archive.is/n4yTO
Murena has engaged in very extensive harassment, false marketing and outright scamming. That's toxic, not your lies about us.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •ulveon.net (on derg.social)
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf ulveon.net (on derg.social) • • •ulveon.net (on derg.social)
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •and as far as I know Graphene offers extremely comprehensive security features including idle reboot for bringing phones to BFU, memory hardening (several types), and exploit protection. These are all security improvements that greatly aid in effectively protecting privacy.
As a matter of fact, and exactly as you mention, you cannot exactly have good privacy guarantees without a comprehensive security baseline, which as you also mention, other distros do not have. LineageOS has many privacy protections but they don't incorporate the aforementioned GrapheneOS security features and therefore this weakens their privacy offer.
I don't know, I don't really see where Tuta egregiously mischaracterised Graphene but admittedly I am also not that well versed in the technical improvements of Graphene over AOSP at a code level (I can understand them conceptually, though).
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf ulveon.net (on derg.social) • • •@ulveon @Okuna @oneloop LineageOS does not provide current Android privacy patches and protections. It does not add any substantial privacy improvements. /e/ massively rolls back privacy from LineageOS, not only security.
GrapheneOS provides major privacy enhancements including fixing multiple outbound Android VPN leaks, Storage Scopes, Contact Scopes, per-connection Wi-Fi DHCP leases / MAC randomization and FAR MORE. It has a very strict privacy approach to services too.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Rebel Zhang
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Rebel Zhang • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •@rebel1725 @ulveon @Okuna @oneloop A privacy project does not send user data to OpenAI without consent, then try to cover it up including falsely claiming that it's anonymized data when it isn't.
community.e.foundation/t/voice…
A privacy project does not fail to provide basic privacy patches and protections while misleading users with a fake patch level and frequently misleading users with false claims about the situation.
Murena and /e/ exist for a group of people to profit, not privacy.
Voice to Text feature using Open AI
/e/OS communityRebel Zhang
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •@GrapheneOS @ulveon @Okuna @oneloop Vosk is a very mature offline voice to text solution within the free software community. There is a keyboard based on Vosk and is available on F-Droid: f-droid.org/packages/com.elish…
This can replace the service who processes the voice on the SaaSS, is considered anti-freedom and anti-privacy and is referred to by GrapheneOS in the post I am replying to.
Sayboard | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository
f-droid.orgFinley Wood
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •@GrapheneOS @ulveon @Okuna @oneloop
I don't understand what the issue here is. The Tuta article says GOS is "well known for its focus on security and privacy". The earliest snapshot wayback machine shows this as well. So.... what's going on here?
vasisdas
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Hi @GrapheneOS, Could you please tell why tuta is not that secure? I choose it especially for security but now I'm confused. Thanks
confettiarenasabotage
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Out of curiosity, in which ways are Tuta's services "highly flawed" in your opinion ? You said this and I'd like to know the base of this claim please.
cake-duke
Als Antwort auf confettiarenasabotage • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf cake-duke • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Rebel Zhang
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •@GrapheneOS @oneloop @Canning1452 @Okuna For regular users, I think Disroot or Riseup are ideal choices. For technology and GNU/Linux enthusiasts, most of the tildes from tildeverse.org provide email services too. For those who are activists or leftists, go for Autistici/Inventati.
I use Tuta too, but a free version, and I use it only for registering accounts, and I almost never use it for private communications.
Rebel Zhang
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf cake-duke • • •As a reminder, here you are spreading a false story about GrapheneOS with absolutely no evidence earlier in this thread while making an attack on us:
mastodon.xyz/@oneloop/11582759…
You're spreading a baseless lie about our team (libel) while having seen absolutely no evidence for it. At the same time, you're falsely accusing us of doing what you're objectively and provably doing earlier in this thread. It's ridiculous how desperate you folks are to attack GrapheneOS.
cake-duke
2026-01-02 21:21:09
cake-duke
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •@GrapheneOS @Okuna
Here's my tip on communication. If your claim is that Murena sends data etc etc, you should just state that the first time around. Instead you just made vague unfalsifiable statements.
grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/…
grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/…
GrapheneOS
2026-01-02 21:18:07
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf cake-duke • • •@oneloop @Okuna There's nothing vague about what we send and it's verifiable information. If you do a bit of research, you can easily find proof of everything we said.
community.e.foundation/t/voice…
eylenburg.github.io/android_co…
codeberg.org/divested-mobile/d…
kuketz-blog.de/e-datenschutzfr…
discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134…
We also weren't finished responding, but you started pushing a false narrative about us based around libelous harassment content which Murena and Volla have both helped to promote.
Voice to Text feature using Open AI
/e/OS communityGrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •@oneloop @Okuna Murena and /e/ do not provide anything close to current Android, Linux, driver or firmware privacy/security patches. They also heavily mislead users about this with an inaccurate Android security patch level and relentless false claims about it.
Murena has numerous invasive services included in /e/ including sending user speech data to OpenAI without consent, which they then tried to downplay by falsely claiming the data is anonymized. Easy to confirm.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •@oneloop @Okuna It's easy to confirm /e/ always connects to multiple Google services and has highly privileged integration for a bunch of Google services built into the OS, which is active out-of-the-box rather than opt-in.
Tuta is doing incredibly misleading marketing for unsafe products which in fact have poor privacy and atrocious security compared to an iPhone or AOSP. It's unsurprising as they've been doing it for a while and make endless inaccurate attacks on Proton and others.
cake-duke
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf cake-duke • • •cake-duke
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf cake-duke • • •You linked to a fabricated story above which you're presenting as fact despite zero evidence for it.
mastodon.xyz/@oneloop/11582759…
Meanwhile, you've made a bunch of posts demanding we provide sources for verifiable information we've provided, but you're happy to spread lies about us with no evidence for them. It's when we post something which you could verify yourself with research that you expect evidence but not someone claiming something negative about us that's untrue.
cake-duke
2026-01-02 21:21:09
cake-duke
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf cake-duke • • •cake-duke
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •cake-duke
Als Antwort auf cake-duke • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf cake-duke • • •FDA approved lychee
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •I think you should lay low on this one. They promoted you too, and you are literally saying GrapheneOS has atrocious privacy and security.
No, not being on the front page doesn't mean you are not being promoted. By making this honest mistake, you yourself is no different from others in making "highly inaccurate and misleading" claims about GrapheneOS, by your standards. Because your standards are asking for perfection in communication, which you cannot provide yourself.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf FDA approved lychee • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •@PaintedDurian Endless posts with inaccurate claims about Proton and GrapheneOS is not smart marketing and is going to hurt them.
Tuta has chosen to regularly post about this topic, frequently making inaccurate and misleading claims about GrapheneOS along with what they're promoting. We've made corrections before which they've disregarded completely and doubled down on it. It cannot be claimed that it's a mistake when it has been addressed so many times before but they keep going.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Baffling7384
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •PlutonicXT
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Rebel Zhang
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Rebel Zhang • • •Privy_Info
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Privy_Info
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •sysnetadmyn
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •hey! Everybody just chill out for a minute here, go take a break and come back when we can learn to work together, instead of hurting the community.
I have spoken
Tuta
Als Antwort auf sysnetadmyn • • •Tuta
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Tuta
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •We specifically mentioned GrapheneOS because we believe it's a great project, some of our developers use GrapheneOS as well.
So we believe, this is a misunderstanding, and we'd like to understand and fix it.
SmarTekk
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •Raven
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •GrapheneOS only supports Pixel devices because they're the only devices that match the security requirements of GrapheneOS. They would use another manufacturer if these requirements would be met.
grapheneos.org/faq#future-devi…
GrapheneOS Frequently Asked Questions
GrapheneOSGrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Raven • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Hari Prakash
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Hari Prakash • • •Hari Prakash
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Doerk
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •I would say that even though GrapheneOS requires hardware made by Google, it can be called „degoogled“. Why? Because the phone itself doesn’t use any Google services. It doesn’t phone home and it doesn’t share any data with Google. It’s just a bloody good piece of hardware and currently the best platform for a save and security mobile OS.
But when you consider that degoogling isn’t just stop using any Google services and sharing data with them, but also not buying anything from Google, then it’s probably not degoogling.
zeitverschreib ⁂
Als Antwort auf Doerk • •@Doerk
Strictly speaking, "degoogled" would also include rejecting any mails coming from Google servers and not sending anything to gmail/googlemail accounts.
Custom domains on Google Apps (or whatever their business plattform is called nowadays) would make the last part rather difficult.
@Tuta @FDA approved lychee @GrapheneOS
cd ~
Als Antwort auf Doerk • • •With pressure building up (e.g. in France) one might wonder how long that will last.
Is there a plan B for that case? How far away from degoogling are other smartphones, such as Fairphone, @GrapheneOS?
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf cd ~ • • •Fairphones have poor security and would be a terrible device for GrapheneOS where many standard patches and standard security protections would be missing.
Fairphone's marketing about updates and long term support is highly inaccurate. They do not provide proper updates even shortly after launch. Fairphone 4 and Fairphone 5 both have end-of-life kernel branches already. Fairphone wasn't shipping the kernel LTS revisions even prior to that.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •cd ~
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •The somewhat bitter discussion here with Tuta is heartbreaking. I was hoping that the relatively few people around stick together, who are working towards the goals of privacy and independence.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf cd ~ • • •Doerk
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •Tuta
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •You misrepresent multiple of the options you're promoting lacking basic privacy and security patches as being hardened. You're heavily promoting them as private despite them failing to provide standard privacy protections and patches.
Murena has engaged in years of relentless attacks on GrapheneOS inclouding harassment towards our team. We've posted a recent example of them doing it as part of trying to take advantage of French law enforcement attacks on GrapheneOS.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Tuta
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Reid
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Reid • • •@reiddragon @PaintedDurian Here's reading material for /e/ and Murena:
Sending user data to OpenAI without consent: community.e.foundation/t/voice…
Info on many still ongoing issues including not providing basic privacy/security patches, which is also an issue for each of the other 5 listed products:
codeberg.org/divested-mobile/d…
web.archive.org/web/2024123100…
web.archive.org/web/2025011921…
infosec.exchange/@divested/112…
kuketz-blog.de/e-datenschutzfr…
discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134…
OS comparison: eylenburg.github.io/android_co…
/e/: Datenschutzfreundlich bedeutet nicht zwangsläufig sicher – Custom-ROMs Teil6
www.kuketz-blog.deReid
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Kuketz IT-Security Blog
kuketz-blog.deGrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Reid • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •@reiddragon @PaintedDurian The article from Mike Kuketz is worth reading and he has other articles about other operating systems, as does the Divested Computing project. Unfortunately, /e/ and Murena along with their community silenced Divested Computing covered it with harassment.
We posted all of those links about /e/ and the clear example of Murena's CEO participating in harassment elsewhere in this thread. We just copied the links from there and replaced the text we wrote before.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •@reiddragon @PaintedDurian A Google partner (Fairphone) with GMS in their stock OS running an alternate OS which has another GMS implementation included and always connects to Google services while giving them a highly privileged status in the OS somehow qualifies for the list.
Punkt heavily marketed that product as 'based on GrapheneOS' and 'hardened' because they used portions of our code, merged them with LineageOS and then didn't update AOSP or the GrapheneOS code for years.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •• Łącze
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •Tuta care about security? Yes? 🙃
👉 There is no privacy without security.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=WkQ_OCzu…
odysee.com/@davidbombal:0/why-…
Exclusive Interview With A GrapheneOS Developer
YouTubeGrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Fairphone is a Google partner with their own OS having official privileged Google Mobile Services integration but yet it's on your list.
/e/ always connects to Google services and has highly privileged integration for Googe apps and services unavailable to other apps but yet it's on your list.
You're making highly inaccurate claims to promote each of the 5 for-profit options you've included on your list including the nonsense claim that CalyxOS and Punkt are hardened.
Tuta
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Ruvkalo
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •PlutonicXT
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •Still, I hope you both can resolve this, and maybe GrapheneOS are right!
For example I was very suspicious when I first saw /e/ a few years ago - they wanted us to "register", the opposite of what Tuta quite rightly do in fact!
I love using Tuta mail!
Xtreix
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •"DeGoogle" is the mistake, It's a meaningless term and its imaginary goal is completely irrelevant. All the products highlighted in your article are very poor in terms of security and privacy, and if we are to follow your reasoning, they are not "DeGoogle" in any way whatsoever, they all use Google services and they all depend on Google services, some, such as /e/, include their own intrusive services.
GrapheneOS really improves things, and this can be verified, these other products that you are promoting do not improve things, they make them worse. Presenting them under the guise of ‘deGoogle’ and ‘digital sovereignty’ is not relevant and is not judicious.
Privy_Info
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Privy_Info • • •GrapheneOS only connects to GrapheneOS services by default and doesn't give any privileged access to Google apps/services when installed on the OS. /e/ connects to a bunch of Google services and does give privileged access to them.
GrapheneOS has an OEM partner since June 2025 and we expect to have devices from them meeting all of our security requirements not currently provided by any non-Pixel Android devices which is why we use Pixels.
Privy_Info
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Privy_Info
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •Privy_Info
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Privy_Info • • •Privy_Info
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Super Man
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •sberson
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf sberson • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •@sberson The options which are being promoted have their own invasive services. As a particularly severe example, /e/ sends user data to OpenAI without consent for speech-to-text:
community.e.foundation/t/voice…
Apple does speech-to-text locally by default and Google at least supports doing it locally instead of using a service and offers it as an explicit option.
Providing important privacy and security patches is the bare minimum. None of those 5 options is doing that bare minimum.
Voice to Text feature using Open AI
/e/OS communityleberschnitzel
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •@Tutanota
Koran Moran
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Koran Moran • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Many of the people harassing us from Rossmann's community are also targeting people involved with Linus Tech Tips and many other companies Rossmann targets. Rossmann has even had a Kiwi Farms account since 2022 which he uses to gather support there and rant about people / companies he doesn't like so they know who to attack for him. He's the one who involved Kiwi Farms to attack us. Their harassment/libel thread was created after he involved them.
kiwifarms.st/members/larossman…
Just a moment...
kiwifarms.stKoran Moran
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Klaus
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •One thing that bugs me, though, is the incredible stupidity of app developers (banking apps and the like) that force Google (or Apple, for that matter) down your throat. Still looking for a way to get them reasonable.
(European) digital sovereignty, anyone?
@volla @murena
MetropleX
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •Miguel Torrellas
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •marcusxms
Als Antwort auf Miguel Torrellas • • •Tuta
Als Antwort auf marcusxms • • •HybridStaticAnimate
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •I am incredibly disappointed in Tuta for publishing this blogpost. The options Tuta has presented worsen privacy and security, and this blogpost is is filled with misinformation. This seems counter to their stated goals.
I no longer have faith in Tuta to maintain my privacy or security, and I am reconsidering using the services that Tuta provides.
sugargrit
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •If there's a list of private alternatives to Android but GrapheneOS is just an honoury mention, then there's nothing wrong with questioning the list.
While I'm not defending GrapheneOS's agitated response here, their arguments about questionable security and privacy of the products you promoted seems reasonable.
Tuta is a well respected secure email service. When you recommend alternatives, please keep the same standards in mind.
Gabor de Mooij
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •marcusxms
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Kenner
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •Malka Beth
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •They're essentially all the same design, which is to say multiple camera having, GPS, AIs in the form of digital assistants embedded in them & none have physical keyboards, only Volla is military grade durable in said hardware, but it doesn't work in my country. So for my long-term needs in any smartphone I'd pay for, as they'd work for me year-round, which include having a physical keyboard, no AI and durability, none of these are real options.
Diversity in hardware is needed in the open source sphere, for widespread adoption to be possible. #DisabilityAccessibility #OpenSourceHardware #deGoogled
*I know what amounts to an open source version of a blackberry smartphone does exist, as I believe sliders (with full keyboards & bigger screens than blackberry) do, both being durable but I've yet to see any #deGoogled phones in those different design categories.
Shiro
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Shiro
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •GrapheneOS
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •It's the communities around /e/, iodéOS and SailfishOS which resort to endless misinformation, fabricated stories about our team, bullying and harassment. That includes extensive support from you folks for Kiwi Farms harassment. Falsely claiming we're engaging in violence and harassment with no basis is an egregious lie.
Here's Murena's CEO linking to libelous harassment content on a neo-nazi conspiracy site:
archive.is/SWXPJ
archive.is/n4yTO
GrapheneOS
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Murena has spent years misleading people about GrapheneOS and attacking our team including directly engaging in libel and harassment. Here's an example of the founder of /e/ spreading a link to a neo-nazi conspiracy site attacking our founder with libel and harassment based around fabricated stories:
archive.is/SWXPJ
archive.is/n4yTO
Most alternate mobile OS projects are part of this for self-benefit. They feel threatened by GrapheneOS so they attack it.
NewDay
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •s94
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf NewDay • • •nictakiego
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf s94 • • •s94
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •NewDay
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Farshid Hakimy / فرشید
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •I can't find it.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf NewDay • • •Farshid Hakimy / فرشید
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •I don't think this is a false claim and I don't think this was written in bad faith.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Farshid Hakimy / فرشید • • •> I do consider replies to a post that doesn't mention you that criticizes other projects to be at least aggressive.
Their article directly talks about GrapheneOS and contains false narratives and inaccurate claims about it based on the marketing from companies like Murena attacking us. Their post heavily promotes products based on inaccurate marketing from the companies, including multiple companies which are regularly attacking GrapheneOS.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Farshid Hakimy / فرشید
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Yeah, I don't consider it aggressive anymore.
Hudobni volk
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •The title of the blog:
"DeGoogled phones, made in Europe: Fairphone, Volla, SHIFTphone, Punkt – a full review."
May require to read the title once more (or twice) for some..
btw: the text is then upgraded with the manufacturers os choises.. yes..
It is time for European tech to free itself and rise from the dead. We are no slaves to no one.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Farshid Hakimy / فرشید • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Farshid Hakimy / فرشید • • •> With your aggressive community on Mastodon
> I don't criticize your OS but your violent answers.
> So I think that your answer is a form of harassment, to say that you will convince your userbase not to use Tuta
False accusations of violence and harassment from a community which actually engages in violence and harassment towards the GrapheneOS team. They're egregiously lying about us. They say they're "sorry" but left up that post.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf nictakiego • • •A Google partner (Fairphone) with GMS in their stock OS running an alternate OS which has another GMS implementation included and always connects to Google services while giving them a highly privileged status in the OS somehow qualifies for the list.
All 5 of the products they've listed use operating systems forked from AOSP. Other options existing for some of the hardware still use a large amount of AOSP code for their hardware support and functionality.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •What's the point of bringing up that GrapheneOS is based on AOSP when every single option on the list they provided is baed on it?
/e/ is based on an outdated version of the Android Open Source Project and adds a bunch of privileged Google service integration to it. /e/ has more connections to Google services than AOSP and gives highly privileged access to Google apps/services out-of-the-box.
/e/ does not provide essential standard patches and protections.
NewDay
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Most of what they've listed uses /e/ or the very similar iodéOS.
They mentioned CalyxOS as a side note and wrongly called it hardened which is untrue and it also hasn't received the 2026-06-05 or later patch level due to updates being discontinued.
They also wrongly called Punkt hardened. Punkt was originally heavily marketed as being 'based on GrapheneOS' but only took a portion of our old code, merged it with LineageOS code and didn't stay up-to-date.
Farshid Hakimy / فرشید
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •However, I do think that it is aggressive if it comes from another OS project for phones, because it could be seen as a form of marketing.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Punkt's device is years behind on AOSP updates and only ever used a subset of our old code, which is now years of out-of-date.
None of the listed products are providing basic privacy and security patches or providing all the standard AOSP privacy/security protections hardened. None of them is hardened, but rather quite the opposite. It's completely wrong to call those products hardened.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Farshid Hakimy / فرشید • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •It's our official mission to not only build better privacy and security technology but to advocate for it. That includes pointing out when products do not provide the privacy and security they claim to offer in their marketing, although we mostly limit ourselves to doing it when they attack GrapheneOS as we have enough to deal with already.
Murena has made a massive amount of attacks on GrapheneOS for years. We didn't initially respond.
Farshid Hakimy / فرشید
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •But these posts make it easy to spread a narrative of GrapheneOS attacking their competitors.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Farshid Hakimy / فرشید • • •GrapheneOS Frequently Asked Questions
GrapheneOSGrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Xtreix
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •Farshid Hakimy / فرشید
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Giorgio Pasqualini • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Farshid Hakimy / فرشید • • •Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Giorgio Pasqualini • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •We do work with open source privacy projects including us previously collaborating with DivestOS and to a lesser extent ProtonAOSP which wasn't very focused on privacy or especially security.
Murena has spent years misleading people about GrapheneOS and attacking our team to promote their products. Both /e/ from Murena and iodéOS are based in France, a country where private/secure devices aren't being tolerated, which is not a problem for either.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •1) A business to be reliable and sustainable must earn money somehow.
2) There are different ways to make money, some are acceptable, some are not.
3) I'm a /e/OS user and have been a Graphene OS user in the past. I'm willing to pay for a European company to make a good OS and a reliable cloud service (which murena doesn't have).
4) If Murena has privacy and security issues help them get better instead of starting a whole new OS and foster fragmentation
Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •a question:
Why do you think the french goverment supports murena and not you?
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Giorgio Pasqualini • • •Murena's products are a scam with extraordinarily poor privacy and security. They actively mislead people about what they provide to profit from it. Murena's services are also immensely problematic too. The lack of reliability for their operating system and services is far less of an issue than the lack of privacy and security.
Why would we help a for-profit company which has spent years attacking GrapheneOS and trying to direct harassment towards us?
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Farshid Hakimy / فرشید
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Cause while u keep fighting for 0,00001% marketshare Apple and Google have 99,99999%
Put both ur egos aside and start working together for
ONE
GOOD
RELIABLE
SECURE
PRIVATE
EUROPEAN
MOBILE OS
Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Giorgio Pasqualini • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Do you realize that it is the government that makes the policy, not you?
Increasingly authoritarian where? Not Europe.
I value European Digital sovereignty over Privacy or Security. Even though I mainly use Open Source apps.
It definitely looks like you are fighting a fight of your own and will remain a super niche OS for privacy and security geeks.
Murena is trying to reach the widest user base and to do so u have to do some compromise.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Giorgio Pasqualini • • •Murena's products are the direct opposite of bringing people better privacy. They're extremely insecure and non-private without even the basics including important standard privacy/security patches and protections. You should read the information which has been linked. Murena's goal is earning as much money as possible for the investors. Privacy is very clearly a branding/marketing tool to do that rather than their actual goal.
discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134…
Devices lacking standard privacy/security patches and protections aren't private - GrapheneOS Discussion Forum
GrapheneOS Discussion ForumGiorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •false.
Zoom out a bit.
You are on the same fking side against big tech and trying to build a different answer just with slightly different approach.
You value privacy and security over ease of use and they value UX/UI over security.
Think about what would happen if you both joined forces???
A good UX UI in a private and secure OS? WHY DO YOU FORCE UR USERS TO CHOOSE!!!
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Giorgio Pasqualini • • •Murena definitely isn't on the same side as GrapheneOS. Murena's goal is earning as much profit as possible and despite /e/ having a non-profit it clearly exists for the benefit of Murena in a way that's likely illegal and is clearly highly corrupt regardless of the legality.
GrapheneOS highly values privacy, security, ease of use and app compatibility. Murena misleads people about what we provide and our focus along with what they provide.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Giorgio Pasqualini
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Giorgio Pasqualini • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Why do you think taking this longer approach and working with a company that's going to make a high quality product is not going to succeed? People are not doubt going to find other reasons to attack GrapheneOS once that launches, and we'll fight back.
Europe is increasingly moving towards disallowing the kinds of privacy and security products and services we care about building, so maybe you won't be allowed to buy and use this device by 2027 anyway.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •top 10 means not European. Just make sure it is not an American company and it supports:
120hz/variable refresh rate
NFC payments
Wireless charging/MAGSAFE standard.
I think you should anyway work with someone and find a compromise with the EU government.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Giorgio Pasqualini • • •Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Giorgio Pasqualini • • •No, you aren't attacking us.
That's not what we're talking about. Do you know what a swatting attack is?
nictakiego
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •So I hope Tuta either update the article promoting GrapheneOS the most from the other solutions, yet pointing out its still based on Google pixels and Google's OS, or remove the article completely.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf nictakiego • • •Everything on the list is based on AOSP. Most of the list includes baked in privileged Google service integration. Fairphone is a Google Mobile Services partner where the stock OS has privileged Google Play services and /e/ has privileged microG integration enabled out-of-the-box with many Google connections from it and other components.
/e/ lacks standard privacy patches and protections. It ALSO has extremely poor security, and privacy depends on security.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Giorgio Pasqualini • • •nictakiego
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Giorgio Pasqualini • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf nictakiego • • •Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Giorgio Pasqualini • • •AL
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •I'm in the USA right now and I sure wish there was an equivalent choice in the USA.
The #corporatization problem is world-wide.
Murena - choose freedom!
Als Antwort auf AL • • •How to get the Murena Fairphone (Gen. 6) in the US: a sustainable, privacy-first, deGoogled smartphone - Murena - deGoogled phones and services
Murena - deGoogled phones and servicesGiorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Back To Analog
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •myhovertime
Als Antwort auf Giorgio Pasqualini • • •So if Europe start to make authoritative policies we should accept them?
Independent project as GrapheneOs is important to circumvent censorship (Europe don't do that at the moment) is not just a paranoid Os for privacy enthusiasts or nerd.
In my opinion every Governments are in a deep crisis cause almost every one are incapable to run as the same speed of the progress. Too many laws are made without acknowledgement of the context.
GrapheneOS
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf myhovertime • • •OFC not. Should Europe become an authoritative place I would be the first to fight against it.
So far it's one of the very few places on earth I could say Im proud to belong to.
GrapheneOS can remain an option for places with authoritarian goverments, I see /e/OS as a more user friendly "for the masses" commercial approach that wants to offer an alternative to google and Apple and I see nothing bad about it.
Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Giorgio Pasqualini • • •Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Nina 👩💻
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •MutuallyPrecautionary
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •bub4don
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •@GrapheneOS
I am shocked that GrapheneOS is not part of the initial post. It should be on top of the list.
My dream would be Shift phone hardware with GrapheneOS.
I switched from iOS to GOS and I seem to never look elsewhere in the future
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf bub4don • • •Nicht nur ein Traum
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •s94
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •s94
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •GrapheneOS has a huge potential so we must encourage users and communities to change their mind with pedagogy and details. Your feature page is impressive to read!
I really support your project and I am just waiting for a support of new devices
Thanks for your work
Privy_Info
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Giorgio Pasqualini • • •Murena builds in a bunch of big tech services with privileged access, sends them sensitive data from your device and fails to provide even the standard Android privacy patches/protections needed to protect privacy from apps. They're definitely not doing a reasonable job at protecting user privacy from corporations.
Not clear why you would trust governments which wants mass surveillance to respect your privacy but that's a much separate issue...
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf marcusxms • • •@marcusxms @lexinova Android is Linux. Linux doesn't mean systemd, glibc and GNOME. Bringing systemd to mobile is not bringing Linux to mobile where it already has majority usage share. Android works fine with mainline kernels and nearly all of those operating systems just use Android's hardware abstraction layer, etc. anyway without bothering to update it.
Pixels are currently the only devices meeting our hardware requirements and most OEMs aren't interested in making secure devices.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf s94 • • •Urs Naegeli
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •Fairphone, since 2013.
@volla @Fairphone @murena
Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf s94 • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Giorgio Pasqualini • • •Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Kolja
Als Antwort auf Giorgio Pasqualini • • •There is no security in the EU and privacy is soon dead too (see GDPR)
Giorgio Pasqualini
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Kolja
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •I work in privacy, opsec and cybersecurity since over 15 years, i know how things work.
Giorgio Pasqualini
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Kolja
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Which is a shame given what the EU supposed to stand for.
But i assume you are just trolling so goodbye ;)
Giorgio Pasqualini
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Kolja
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •And Europe is not as free as you think if you pay close attention to laws in Hungary, Germany, France etc.
Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf Kolja • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Giorgio Pasqualini • • •Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Giorgio Pasqualini • • •Here's your own timelime:
mastodon.social/@giorgiopasqua…
One of the two posts is boosting a serial harasser who targeted both DivestOS and GrapheneOS with fabricated stories and direct harassment including vile personal attacks. We showed an example here of him linking to harassment content on a neo-nazi conspiracy site and we can show a lot more.
archive.is/SWXPJ
archive.is/n4yTO
He's a scammer harming privacy projects.
Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •I'm no scammer at all. And I don't need to read my timeline to know what I think. I already know it.
All I'd want is cooperation among altroms, you made it clear you don't want to cooperate with others because you think they are scammers. It's ok, I'm sad about it and I won't ask you again to do it. I'll give a try to graphene OS when it will be released (on non pixel devices) provided the OEM is not from the US.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Giorgio Pasqualini • • •Giorgio Pasqualini
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Giorgio Pasqualini • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •The only SoC we want in a GrapheneOS device at this time is a flagship Snapdragon with hardware memory tagging, a secure element and many years of update support. The SoC is the most highly privileged and important part of the device. Everything else is secondary.
Fairphone is based in Europe but barely does engineering. That's done by their Chinese ODM partner. Fairphones are designed and manufactured in China with an American SoC.
ReindeR Rustema
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •Jdb_env
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •@tinker
For me, it'
#ungoogle / #ungafam ,
Graphene os offers a high level of security.
I am considering buying one, but second-hand.
I am also looking into putting another os on my old Samsung A6, if anyone knows how to.
GrapheneOS
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •JMZ
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •lime360
Als Antwort auf Tuta • • •imho i think there should be a privacy-respecting feature phone, kinda like sidephone
i barely use a smartphone and prefer doing stuff on a laptop
NewDay
Als Antwort auf NewDay • • •GrapheneOS
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •We didn't change the subject.
EU states are the only ones targeted GrapheneOS with attacks. It's not being attacked by the US, Brazil, Iran, China, etc. but rather France, Spain, Sweden and the Netherlands.
EU states and the EU itself are leading the charge among western countries to ban encryption and secure devices. The sovereignty you talk about is largely about governments having access to data and the ability to force companies to do things.
NewDay
Als Antwort auf NewDay • • •You are also changing the subject, from sovereignty to even crime.
GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf NewDay • • •GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •Either way, US and Chinese companies are trusted. What's the benefit of trusting a European company too? How is that independence or sovereignty?
GrapheneOS isn't based in Europe. We have servers there to provide high throughput and low latency for our users in Europe, that's all. We no longer have servers in France or with OVH for our public services, with 1 more OVH server the OS doesn't use left to replace. We aren't based in the US either.
NewDay
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •mastodon.social/@NewDay14/1158… a slow process that started, because of the first year of Trump. Poland to fund companies that produce and develop RAM, Germany is currently funding Semiconductor start ups in the Regions of TU9, Mistral is completely backed by France, etc.
Trump and Miller are speeding up this process. Thank you!
NewDay
2026-01-03 11:11:31
GrapheneOS
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •@lajuste @lexinova @marcusxms
> how to trust the hardware
It's the only hardware meeting our security requirements. It's the most widely externally audited/reviewed. There's no alternative providing competitive security with an iPhone. Nothing else has even reasonable security with alternate OS support.
> baseband chip can be vicious and work without any control of the OS on the phone and still accessing everything
No, not at all true. This is a widely propagated falsehood.
Balibalou
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •I prefer just not trust my phone for sensitive data at all
GrapheneOS
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Balibalou
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •androidauthority.com/smartphon…
Smartphones use a 2nd CPU and 2nd OS in their baseband processors
Gary Sims (Android Authority)GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf Balibalou • • •GrapheneOS
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Balibalou
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •But no way to confirm what Google or any manufacturer is doing.
Or what pixel security is for the 8 and before 9to5google.com/2024/10/03/pixe…
And the SoC they use has still Samsung Exynos proprietary components, I am curious if it is also the case for the baseband modem
Pixel 9 has Google’s ‘most hardened baseband’ to counter modem vulnerabilities
Abner Li (9to5Google)GrapheneOS
Als Antwort auf GrapheneOS • • •